Pre pigging? Please advise!

I think I'm correct in saying, it's a derivative of oil. Petrol - Petroleum, same source. Doesn't make it bad on it's own. It certainly has it's uses. It's good for blocking germs from getting into cuts (though it doesn't have healing properties as was once claimed), it's great for blocking dye on the skin and there are other things it's great for. I like it as a cheap lip balm in the winter. Works just as well as any fancy one.

On hair though, it's going to have the same properties as silicones, to a degree. As I said before, it does help seal down the cuticle, it does stick split ends together etc. but it isn't permanent as you obviously reaslie. I'm not sure how similar the product in hair products is to petroleum jelly. It could be quite different.

I don't know if it's vegan friendly though, sorry. I've ignored it other than my mum wanting to give me the products (she gave me something else the other day... my mum had become a QVC addict!).

But that's why I'm using Philip Kingsley elastizer as well, I know you say it contains some sicones but it is THE protein reconstructor recommended on just about every website and by every hair expert going, plus to be honest after spending £60 on it I really can't afford to buy anything else right now. I'm hoping that using the PK for the protein and the osmo (as well as coconut oil and macadamia oil for moisture) should do a as much good as possible.

take away the marketing campaign and all the recommendations and look at the ingredients. There is nothing special in that product, it is comparable to any protein based conditioner on the market. I know you spent a lot of money on it, but it isn't a protein based reconstruction, which is what i would recommend for your hair. There just isn't the protein in it, you can see that for yourself. Plus it is sold as an 'elasticiser' not a reconstructor, protein actually makes hair more stiff and less elastic. By all means use it, but don't be fooled into thinking it is doing something it is not.

I think I'm correct in saying, it's a derivative of oil. Petrol - Petroleum, same source. Doesn't make it bad on it's own. It certainly has it's uses. It's good for blocking germs from getting into cuts (though it doesn't have healing properties as was once claimed), it's great for blocking dye on the skin and there are other things it's great for. I like it as a cheap lip balm in the winter. Works just as well as any fancy one.

On hair though, it's going to have the same properties as silicones, to a degree. As I said before, it does help seal down the cuticle, it does stick split ends together etc. but it isn't permanent as you obviously reaslie. I'm not sure how similar the product in hair products is to petroleum jelly. It could be quite different.

I don't know if it's vegan friendly though, sorry. I've ignored it other than my mum wanting to give me the products (she gave me something else the other day... my mum had become a QVC addict!).

This happened to my mother! She's the one who bullied me into buying the PK and she's a complete QVC addict!!!

But that's why I'm using Philip Kingsley elastizer as well, I know you say it contains some sicones but it is THE protein reconstructor recommended on just about every website and by every hair expert going, plus to be honest after spending £60 on it I really can't afford to buy anything else right now. I'm hoping that using the PK for the protein and the osmo (as well as coconut oil and macadamia oil for moisture) should do a as much good as possible.

take away the marketing campaign and all the recommendations and look at the ingredients. There is nothing special in that product, it is comparable to any protein based conditioner on the market. I know you spent a lot of money on it, but it isn't a protein based reconstruction, which is what i would recommend for your hair. There just isn't the protein in it, you can see that for yourself. Plus it is sold as an 'elasticiser' not a reconstructor, protein actually makes hair more stiff and less elastic. By all means use it, but don't be fooled into thinking it is doing something it is not.

Funnily enough stiff is exactly what it makes my hair. Anyway I wanted to post and let you know, that my hair is finally picking up slightly, still feels a bit weird and gummy when wet and is still crispy in places, but after applying Pk, then double washing it out with some stupidly priced shampoo that I'm using (salon science?) then applying the Osmo masque and double washing that out then using the salon science conditioner and rinsing with cold water, I then applied a little macadamia oil to the ends and after air drying I blow dried on cool just to loosen it all up a bit, my hair actually feels closer to normal.

Whatever works for you, but TBH all that washing is a really bad idea long term.
Try just washing once with a gentle conditioner and then applying the macadamia oil.

I intend to start co washing but I can't when using the Pk or the masque that I need to use after the pk because my hair is fine and it's all been left in my hair previously when I haven't thoroughly washed it out. I'm trying to wash my hair way less than I used to, but when I do wash it I'm going all out with the treatments and they really take some washing out.

Well washing with shampoo 4 times in a row is about the worst thing you can do for damaged hair, but hey, your hair your choice, you seem very determined to do things your own way, so best of luck to you.

Well washing with shampoo 4 times in a row is about the worst thing you can do for damaged hair, but hey, your hair your choice, you seem very determined to do things your own way, so best of luck to you.

Sorry have I offended you somehow? From my end I feel I have asked for and followed lost of advice from this forum and posted ingredients asking for thoughts on that too. I have never shampood more than once at a time in my entire life until tonight and I was just letting you know what had worked for me, as previously I felt to have a lot of product left in my hair. Not quite sure how I am "determined to do things my own way" I wouldn't have much of a clue my own way, which is why I joined the forum for advice!

Me? I'm not offended?
Shampoo and lots of washing are a bad idea, but if you want to use products that require four lots of shampoo every time you wash, that is your choice.

Well ideally you shouldn't have to shampoo that much at all. Maybe only once if that, because you could always co wash. But if you are washing that much, (I know you only started this recently when applying those products) I would get a much gentler shampoo (something SLS free) or even better start co washing. I think people who haven't co washed or used sulphate free shampoos are expecting their hair will forever look greasy and unclean after washing. It usually only takes a couple washes and then you're used to it. You'd be surprised. I couldn't believe how much volume I still get in my hair after co washing.

As for rinsing the product out, you shouldn't even have to shampoo it out twice let alone once. They're supposed to be easy to rince out with water.

Are you sure you're actully rinsing it out in the water for long enough? Sometimes it can actually take quite a while for the product to wash out, even a few minitues, but you can sort of feel when it is. If you feel the product is in your roots maybe give your head a little scrub while rinsing it out with water.

I think after, if you choose to switch to co washing or co wagon in between shampoos, you should feel a lot of difference in your hair. Also, I would say when you do shampoo, don't shampoo the ends as this dries it them out so much. As you shampoo your scalp and rince it out, the shampoo runs through your ends, and this is enough to clean then.