Pre pigging? Please advise!

Without being able to check right now, I'm 99% sure both those -ones are preservatives.

There's some debate on mineral oil, I feel it probably has the false signals that silicone gives (hair feeling slippery and so 'healthy'). However, I don't believe it has the other properties that silicones tend to have (blocking moisture from getting in and possible melting to hair - if that truly is possible).

Basically, in truth, I don't think your hair is really all that badly damaged anyway. It's not as healthy as you'd like, but it's far from a lot of what we see here. So, I wouldn't worry too much about avoiding everything. I know that goes somewhat against what I've said here before, but as I said, I'm not fully against silicone. It has it's place and if you know the true state of your hair it can be ok. It's just not best when you're trying to get moisture back into the hair.

I've been using the osmo intensive repair mask. I kind of like it, but  actually looking for something better. It's really cheap at Sally's, (particularly now that I have a Sally's card) but it makes me wonder if it's even all that good if it's so cheap. I spend more on my normal conditioner which is come free, so it seems pointless I'm buying a cheaper hair mask for weekly treatments. I've checked the ingredients a few times and I can't see any cones. But even so I wonder if there's something that makes my hair feel nice rather than actually giving it moisture. I'm actually thinking there's a chance my dr organic coconut conditioner does more to make my hair healthier.

As a side note, I was considering starting a new thread about the best products in Sally's UK. I'm trying to get the most out of my Sally's card and I was wondering what some of their best hair moisture or other treatments are. I know they are a lot more limited compared to the USA Sally's, so I think eventually I'll probably start ordering all my stuff off amazon

Yea I had the same thought about the price because it was so cheap from Adels (think its the same sort of wholesalers as Sally's?) but it just goes to show maybe cost isn't everything.

Glad to hear it doesn't have silicone in.

The condition is mainly just around my hair line when it's tied up. The condition is fairly poor everywhere but not terrible, however that area around the hair line is destroyed you just can't see it in photos, when my hair is tied up you can see it. When wet it's pure chewing gum and really creepy to touch and when dry it's just dead as a dodo grey looking, all snapped and frizzed. Such a shame I had really healthy hair prior! X

Ha, I just noticed I posted waaaay after all that information had already been given.  Sorry guys!

It was still a helpful post so thanks! X

The Osmo has both mineral oil and petroleum jelly in the top five ingredients so I'd imagine that's why it's so inexpensive! Those will do like Janineb said - they coat so it looks/ feels nice but its not really penetrating or helping the hair. Does the UK Sally carry either Hask Henna 'n' Placenta? I'd suggest that over the Osmo. If you can get Joico K-PAK reconstructor it should help with the gummy bits as well.

Deep conditioning is great, but not the same as a protein based reconstructor. They actually fill in the gaps in the cuticle which helps the hair to function and reduces further damage. Deep conditioning masks are just smoothing out and coating the cuticle.

But that's why I'm using Philip Kingsley elastizer as well, I know you say it contains some sicones but it is THE protein reconstructor recommended on just about every website and by every hair expert going, plus to be honest after spending £60 on it I really can't afford to buy anything else right now. I'm hoping that using the PK for the protein and the osmo (as well as coconut oil and macadamia oil for moisture) should do a as much good as possible.

Eww petroleum jelly :/ Thanks for letting me know! I always avoid Vaseline for that reason (unless I need it for hair dying). Yeah I only was using it for a moisturising hair mask. Unfortunately they don't sell Hask Henna n' Placenta - I've heard so many people on this forum say they love that one. Maybe I'll see if I can order it. I useally order my Joico k pak reconstructor of amazon.

I'm having trouble finding good products in Sally's UK, as most of their stuff has cones. I was looking at the biolage hair masks but not sure if they're any good. If they really are good, I don't mind spending the money to by them. At the moment though I am kind of broke, so I'm thinking of getting the Dark & Lovely cholesterol mask - Wicked Pixie, haven't you used this. I started a thread agges ago asked about moisturising treatments. I looked at it again the other day and I'm pretty sure it was you who suggested it.

The thing with a LOT of hair experts is, they're not science experts.

I'll add, I don't think I am either, not by a long shot. But, I don't trust the results I think I see on my own hair, or what others feel they find on their own hair. I try to take any claim made and think about it critically. It's a fallacy to think that just because most people say something is good actually means it's good. Doesn't mean it's bad either... but in beauty products, it's a minefield and trust can't be too easily given, even if it's a popular idea.

By all means use the elasticizer, I totally understand why you want to, but think twice about buying it again. Really try and work out if it's the product really helping your hair deep down. Try washing your hair with clarifying shampoo and not using conditioner. How does it feel when it's dry? If it feels really bad (it's not likely to feel great, but be objective), it's probably the silicone that's making it feel better and the product isn't really actually doing much. And next time, go for the smallest packaging for the product before getting a litre 🙂

I honestly do hope I'm wrong and it works for you! When I say stuff like this, I always want to be wrong, because I hate when the beauty industry makes bold claims they can't live up to.

For anyone interested in a good protein conditione:

I recently bought a new conditioner from Palmers with protein. Its aimed towards co-washing so has no silicones or parabens. My hair doesnt usually like too much protein but this one seems to have a good balance cause my hair hasnt felt this good in ages. My ends are usually dry and frizzy but with this new one, they are getting much better.
It comes in a green pump bottle and is called Cleansing conditioner. I bought it at boots. 

While we're talking about science (ok, so it was just me!), parabens aren't really necessary to avoid in hair products. The ranging cancer link is really bad science and there's very little evidence that it being added to shampoos etc causes cancer, even though they can have a weak estrogenic effect. The amount in products is tiny anyway. They're just a preservative.

If you're still worried about it, just don't use a skin moisturiser that has it as you're more likely to absorb more of it... though probably still not enough to do anything.

that's exactly what i was explaining to my mom the other day.m
I only mentioned it because it says it on the bottle.

Ok, fair enough! You can probably tell it's something I find quite annoying that the industry was either a, pressured into taking them out or b, they took them out/never used them anyway and use it as a selling point even though they likly know it's bunk.

The thing with a LOT of hair experts is, they're not science experts.

I'll add, I don't think I am either, not by a long shot. But, I don't trust the results I think I see on my own hair, or what others feel they find on their own hair. I try to take any claim made and think about it critically. It's a fallacy to think that just because most people say something is good actually means it's good. Doesn't mean it's bad either... but in beauty products, it's a minefield and trust can't be too easily given, even if it's a popular idea.

By all means use the elasticizer, I totally understand why you want to, but think twice about buying it again. Really try and work out if it's the product really helping your hair deep down. Try washing your hair with clarifying shampoo and not using conditioner. How does it feel when it's dry? If it feels really bad (it's not likely to feel great, but be objective), it's probably the silicone that's making it feel better and the product isn't really actually doing much. And next time, go for the smallest packaging for the product before getting a litre 🙂

I honestly do hope I'm wrong and it works for you! When I say stuff like this, I always want to be wrong, because I hate when the beauty industry makes bold claims they can't live up to.

Oh don't get me wrong, I think it's pretty unlikely I'm going to buy it again based on the results so far, but I am keen to believe that it's going to work and to use it up since I splurged so much money on it in the hope that it was going to work wonders on my hair! Haha .

Petroleum jelly you say....dare I ask...what actually is petroleum jelly? Obviously I know it's also Vaseline but what's it made of?

And also does anyone know if PK is free from animal produce because my mum is vegan!