Pre pigging? Please advise!

It's won so many awards I presumed I could trust that it does what it claims to.
Well I don't think it will do any harm and I have a whole bloody litre of it so I will carry on using it but that just covers the protein side of things, I need something else to moisturise so I will try the Jo Pak as well.

No, the K-pak is a protein product, not a moisturiser, and a really hardcore one for use on damaged hair only. They also make a moisturising treatment/hydrator as a follow up, which is supposed to be very good, you must always follow protein with a hydrating treatment as protein treatments can be drying.
That elasticizer is not what i would describe as a reconstructor, the ingredients are similar to any conditioner with protein. I am sorry that you bought into the hype and spent a lot of money, you could have picked up a high steet  conditioner that does the same thing for a fraction of the cost.
Look up each ingredient if you want to understand how it works, there is a ton of info available on the ingredients in hair products.

Awards mean next to nothing. It's all about slapping backs and mutually beneficial to all parties involved. Even if it's voted for by the public, it doesn't mean it really does what it says, it just means a bunch of people THINK it does what it says. People are very, very often wrong about what they think is going on, we all are.

Seriously, don't buy into the hype on beauty products, be sceptical of every claim. Some are true but most are exaggerated and/or downright lies as wicked pixie says. I'd just give away the elasticizer because it's just going to make you feel like the condition is better than it really is due to the copious amounts of silicone shooting down your cuticles and coating them so it feels glossy. Sometimes it's worth just taking the hit and not using something.

Using both seemed to be a good idea after reading this http://www.bathandunwind.com/beauty-blog/product-category/hair-care/my-burnt-hair-nightmare/

The front of my hair around my face is exceptionally damaged.

I'm presuming it must all be about  the very controlled amounts of silicones??

http://blog.philipkingsley.com/2010/09/08/elasticizer-the-science/

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It supposedly traps the moisture under the cuticle. It also stops it getting in.

And as I said before, people get things wrong. It's highly likely that the k pak did that girls hair most good and then the silicone flattened the cuticle and made it feel glossy.

PS can you try not to double post please. It's the the forum rules and I have to go back and merge the posts. Just use the edit to modify button, it'll still show as a new post. Thanks 🙂

You have bleach damage, not silicone heat damage. There is amodimethicone in that product, (a common silicone in hair conditioners)along with some oils, other moisturising ingredients, a sunblock an a small amount of protein (hydrolyzed elastin) You can use it, but it won't help with the bleach damage.
I am not a fan of silicones at all, I avoid them entirely.
Protein based reconstructors fill the gaps in the hairs cuticle. It is a temporary measure, as it will wash out over time, but will make the hair feel more healthy while it is present.
Bleach damage is cumulative and permanent, nothing is able to restore your hair to its former condition. Olaplex is the only product that is able to link broken disulphide bonds, but if the hair is very damaged there will not be enough bonds left to link.
You are likely to see a further deterioration in the coming weeks, because it takes a few weeks to fully show. (Plus you processed damaged hair again, which adds to the damage because it is cumulative)
Personally  I would use penetrating oils to add some moisture back into the hair (coconut and argan oils both fully penetrate others such as olive oil penetrate partially) then use a reconstructor followed by a deep conditioning treatment. Avoid any further processing, and heat styling. Using argan oil as a leave in treatment will improve the texture while actually nourishing the hair.
Silicones just coat the hair, making it feel nicer. They don't improve the condition of the hair, and can block oils from penetrating. They do help hair to be less tangly, so help to avoid further damage by friction. They are good at making damaged hair feel more healthy, but they do not improve the true condition of the hair.

Yeah I really like joico k pak reconstructor. My hair feels sLightly stronger (although I think I'm not leaving it on for long enough as I've only been doing like 5-15mins) each time and a lot sillier and softer. For me personally I think my hair can take a lot of protein. I've even hair dried it into my hair to try and make it work better (not sure if this is a bad idea :/). My hair cuticle is pretty closed so I'm not sure if this is why.

I'm actually surprised that everyone says how strong it is. Even when I have left it on for like over 30mins my hair never felt stiff or anything like what anyone else described. I was originally paranoid about leaving it on for over 5mins after everything I'd heard but now I think I could get away with keeping it on for an hour.

Edit: lol just saw I said it makes my hair sillier xD obviously that was supposed to be silkier

Edit 2: sorry I keep posting things relevant to the previous page because I keep forgetting there's more than one page on each thread and I just post without checking.

It really depends on the person. For some they can never have enough, for others a tiny bit seems to be too much.

I know that I have bleach damage and not silicone heat damage, sorry if that is the impression I gave, I only shared the article about the silicone damage to show you where Scott Cornwall had recommended using PK elastisizer AFTER removing silicone from the hair, which leads me to believe the elastizer must contain certain or small amounts of silicone. I feel that my hair personally needs a certain amount of silicone and I'm not that against the use of it in moderation. At the end of the day if I can't repair my hair (and I know nothing will ever make it as it was) then something that will make it feel or appear more healthy is better than nothing as long as I am still very careful when handling my hair. I'm also putting coconut oil on.

Edit to add - sorry about the double post I was very careful not to do that on every other post I must have slipped up there.

The problem is, as we said before, silicone blocks moisture from getting in. To solve this, even sometimes with water soluble silcones, you end up having to remove it with harsh shampoo which will contribute to more damage.

You'll more likely get a better result from changing to conditioner only washing and oils. I swim a lot at the moment,so I do use silicones sometimes because I need the weight when I'm washing my hair a lot. But I used to co wash and it was far better. I'd use a cheap conditioner to wash, something better to condition and then a small blob of the first conditioner as a leave in. Then I'd use a little argon oil. It really is way better than using silicones.

Yes I was looking into co washing I think it could be ideal for me at the moment. When my hair was healthy I was the sort who couldn't put any conditioner at all near my roots because it left it greasy as its fine. That wouldn't be an issue at all with how dry those roots currently are. Next time I do my shopping I will buy a a cheap Silicone free conditioner for washing. I read about watering it down before washing with it, is that necessary? 

Depends on your hair. As I said before, my hair LOVES conditioner and doesn't go greasy with it, no matter how much I use. So, what I do doesn't seem to work for most lol

Try just a cheap conditioner first without diluting. You might find that it is greasy for the first few washes, but for the majority of people it sorts itself out quickly. If it doesn't get better, try diluting.

Yeah that was the same for me. I actually accidentally got into co washing. I used a hair mask to tone my hair and even put it in my roots. After rinsing it out I was expecting to have to shampoo my hair (since it needed washing before the hair mask anyway) but I noticed my hair was actually slightly cleaner. I'd heard about co washing but I never knew co stood for Condtioner. When I realised it was as simple as that (I thought it was some complicated process lol) I switched straight to it, and after a couple of washes my hair adjusted to it fine.

I looked up the ingredients for the elasticiser, and it is just some oils with silicone. It would be more beneficial to do some hot oil treatments with a mix of coconut, Argan and olive oil. What I do is heat them all up together over the stove, pour it into an applicator bottle and apply to my hair. Wrap hair up in plastic, then heat it up some more with a dryer. That will pull out some color too.

Thanks I don't have any argan at the minute but I do have macadamia?

I just thought I would add to this thread that a couple of nights ago I my WAY cheaper Osmo deep treatment mask instead of PK and I was much happier with the results. I wanted to check though wether or not this was just down to silicones? I checked the ingredient s myself and didn't see any cones but did see quite a few "ones" and wondered if that was the same. Here's the ingredients...